Monday, 7 May 2012

Wk 10 Discussion Post


Why, in your view, did the South lose the Civil War?

16 comments:

  1. I believe the South lost because of a combination of circumstances that placed them at a disadvantage to the North. I believe there are three broad reasons the South lost the war. Firstly, the war was brought to the South; it was fought on their land, destroyed their homes and livestock and was a part of their everyday lives. Secondly, the North was able to exercise greater staying power than the South. The North was able to withstand periods of military failures and enormous casualties, unlike the South, which eventually could not fight any more. Thirdly, the South was not able to defeat the North in a ‘total war’ style of combat because they simply did not have the resources.

    These three factors are inextricably linked – dealing with war everyday would have strongly influenced the resilience of the South and would also have affected the South’s ability to withstand a ‘total war’ that affected them both materially and psychologically. For these reasons, the South was unable to overcome the North.

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  2. In my view, the South lost the Civil War due to primarily military and political reasons. Militarily, the South could have, theoretically, held out longer following defensive military strategy. However, Robert E. Lee was an aggressive general and invaded the Union, which was a successful short-term tactic, but ultimately wasted limited resources needed for the extended war. The North eventually developed a new style of “total war”, and the South’s lesser resources meant they effectively couldn’t win. Politically, as the South was fighting for states rights, it was hard to create the centralized government generally required for waging efficient large scale war. In the North, the ability of the federal government to control taxes, resources, industry, men, transport, and the law gave it a great advantage over the South, where individual state governors resisted the orders of their president and continual printing of money led to exorbitant inflation.

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  3. In my opinion, there were several reasons why the South lost the war though the most significant factor that led to Southern defeat was the superior leadership of the North. Though the North was assisted by its superiority in numbers and resources, history has shown that this is not always a precondition for victory, and this argument is not a sufficient explanation for Southern defeat. Abraham Lincoln was not only a far better war President than Jefferson Davis was, he was also more able to offer a better explanation to his own people of what they were fighting for. By the end of the war, Northern military leadership went beyond destruction of Confederate armies to the destruction of Confederate resources, such as slavery, the labour power of the South. When Grant became general-in-chief, the North had developed a strategy that completely destroyed the Confederacy’s ability to wage war. On the other hand, the South only had one really talent army commander, Robert E. Lee. The Confederate losses in the battlefield, due to inferior leadership, combined with the destruction of Confederate infrastructure and problems in the economy brought about Southern defeat.

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  4. It is difficult to conceive that a war would withstand such a long time if one side had such superior advantages, but rather it is a culmination of events that occurred in favour of the North, and a change in strategy by the North that in my opinion caused the South to lose. While some historians argue centralised government, superior resources, superior political leadership, and superior commitment essentially won the North the war, these factors perhaps gave the North an advantage but were not the deciding factor. The North’s shift from limited to total war was a strategic shift that caused destruction of Southern society, and was a form of military confrontation that favoured the superior resources of the North. In addition the North won the right battles at the right time, thus losing the war for the South. Most notably Antietam, which allowed Lincoln to issue the Proclamation of Emancipation, Gettysburg and the occupation of Atlanta, which increased morale in the North and aided in Lincoln’s 1864 election win, were all key moments that if gone the other way could have affected the outcome of the war.

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  5. In my opinion, the primary reason that the South lost the Civil War was their inability to organise properly a central power. Jefferson Davis was never able to get the governors of 'his' states to surrender their authority to him, and as such the confederacy was a disunited confederation, fighting against a significantly more unified Union.

    Furthermore, the fact that the Union could bolster its troops with the slaves it freed along the way, many of whom fought ferociously and unhesitatingly, was a way of getting the south's primary workforce to fight war against the South.

    The final reason is that the western theatre of the war was neglected by the South, and Sherman's all-out push to the sea effectively encircled Lee, whose brilliance was immediately rendered impotent at the prospect of being pincered.

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  6. The most significant reason the South lost the war, in my opinion, was the lack of centralised government. There is a fair argument that Lincoln’s personal attributes made him a superior leader, but he did not suffer the same structural restrictions as Davis. The North had the War Department, the greenback, income tax and essentially a more efficient mobilization of their greater resources and men, all of which were controlled by the federal government. Contrastingly, the South had seceded under the guise of States’ rights, and therefore could not then demand centralised power for Davis, and because of this political disunity they suffered in the face of Northern power in total warfare.

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  7. One of the many factors that contributed to the loss of the Civil War by the South was the internal conflict that resided in the Southern States. The prevalence of State rights in the South indicates a decentralised government. This was problematic for the South as the independent States resisted co-operation with the central authority, Richmond. This resulted in, for example, the South printing money to cover war expenses as they were unable to raise taxes without the co-operation of the independent States. Such issues, which stemmed from the decentralisation of government, contributed to the hardships experienced by the South in the Civil War.

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  8. There were three major reasons the South lost the war: the overwhelming military resources of the North in comparison to the South, how the North used these resources (particularly in the second half of the war) and the South's failure to gain international recognition. As has been widely established by historians, the North had a greater military proficiency in terms of weaponry and armoury output, as well as the simple fact they had considerably more soldiers than the South. This military advantage would not necessarily translate into victory however, and for the first few years of the war, the South was able to use its army more effectively than the North, and this is best encapsulated by contrasting the styles of Robert E. Lee on the Confederacy side and George McClellan for the Union. Lee used his numerically inferior force to great effect, while McClellan failed to take advantage of his army that vastly outnumbered the Confederacy forces. It was the North's decision to move towards 'total warfare' under the command of more successful Union military commanders such as Ulysses Grant and William Sherman that led them to fully utilize their various military advantages (particularly their numerical advantage) and eventually win the war. Once the North adopted this style of warfare, the Confederacy army could only have won if they received reinforcements or a diplomatic truce had been broken - and this would only have occurred if a foreign power like England or France intervened. There was considerable pressure on these foreign powers to intervene and recognize the Confederacy as an independent nation (largely due to the threat to the important cotton industry that the Confederacy was largely responsible for). However, one of the major reasons this never came to fruition was President Abraham Lincoln's decision to issue the emancipation proclaimation and make the war about slavery. This in turn made it politically unviable for foreign powers like England to intervene on behalf of the Confederacy. It is for these reasons three that the South lost the overall conflict.

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  9. In my opinion, the Southern defeat can be explained in terms of military power, political structure and economic stability. Firstly, it is clear that the industrialised North was better equipped to resource itself for war. This is evidenced both through its ability to manufacture munitions and supplies, and to distribute them via the advanced network of railroads and by sea. However, that is not to say that the Confederate armies had little or no chance of succeeding in this war, or that a Northern victory was inevitable. As historian Gary Gallagher argues, the South did display superior military ability in various battles, just not the correct battles at the correct, politically-advantageous times. Secondly, resources and military power aside, it is clear that even the most well-resourced, well-trained and well-led army can still lose against a weaker side, the most notable modern example of this being the Vietnam War. Thus, in my view, the most crucial aspect of the Southern defeat was the inability of the Confederacy to compete with Lincoln’s strong, centralised administration. By seceding in the name of ‘States’ rights,’ the Confederacy had doomed itself to fail, as Davis’ administration in Richmond could not legitimately exert any real authority over the States it represented. In contrast, Lincoln was able to ensure financial stability by introducing a central currency, the greenback, and by enforcing an income tax for the first time on the Northern population. This economic stability, coupled with well-timed military victories and superior numerical military strength, secured the Northern victory over the Confederate South.

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  10. It was not one incident, but rather a combination of factors that placed the South at a disadvantage to the North and caused them to lose the Civil War. The first being military strategy. The North fought the Civil War with a “total war” approach as they had ample resources to do so, whereas the South did not. Secondly, there was the issue of not having a central authority within the Confederacy. As the issue of the war for the Confederacy was that of States rights, Jefferson Davis was unable to obtain the role of an all encompassing political leader. This caused political disunity within the Confederacy.

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  11. In my opinion, the South lost the Civil War due to a number of factors, primarily their lack of resources, ineffectual government, and an inability to match the Northern strategy of total warfare. While the North was an effectively industrialized society with control of many major railroads, factories, and a large population, the South was limited by their agricultural culture and comparatively smaller population. Also, the Confederate determination to maintain their independent states rights led to a situation in which the strong, centralized government required to engage successfully in a long-term war became impossible. Finally, and possibly most importantly, once the Union armies became able to separate from their supply chain and infiltrate the South, the style of civil warfare fundamentally changed from a limited war, which the Confederacy stood a good chance of winning, to a total war, in which the Northern forces held the advantage.

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  12. There is no single factor that caused the South to lose the civil war. A combination of lack of centralised government, military power and resources did not help the Southern cause. It is not that the South misused their resources, but in comparison the industrialised North had so much more that it did not matter how they wasted them. The South actually managed to recruit a significantly larger of its white male population into the army, but that did not make a difference as the population in the North was so much greater. The North additionally had access to immigrants and run a way slaves to supply its army, as well as greater railroad and canal infrastructure and factories.
    Jefferson Davis never had the political authority in the South as Lincoln did in the North, to expect this is ridiculous, as the Confederacy was in its infancy in comparison to the Northern government. This makes coordinating a winning war all that much more difficult.
    The South also faced great economy difficulties which according to this week’s reading did cause some desertion. The North’s policy of total war was very effective because it terrorised the civilians of the South, it broke war conventions, ran down Southern civilian’s morale and possibly could have caused men to desert from already overstretched armies in order to help their families. The South did not have the opportunity to engage in this terror style warfare with Northern civilians

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  13. sorry that was bit long...

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  14. In my own opinion I think that the South lost the overall military battle against the North, which was due to many facts including economic differences; the Northern industrialisation compared to the agrarian South. There were also factors contributing to this loss that were population size and the culture of the home front and how this affected the morale of soldiers on both sides of the battle. Politically, socially and culturally it cannot be said that any side won. Both side left the battle of 1861-1865 with irreparable scars on the cultural memory; it is clear now that the myth of the Civil War still exists within the politics between the modern North and South. The South did not win the actual military battle, but both sides lost culturally and socially.

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  15. The south's loss in the American Civil war can be seen in the structure of their governments, economy and resources available, rather than any one defining moment or issue. The industrialised North had a central government which allowed them to implement things such as income taxes and a union-wide currency.

    The north, being more industrial, also had a larger range and amount of resources that allowed them to fight for longer and more effectively. The south, whilst they still had these resources, did not have the unity of government or currency which meant that their leadership was spread more thinly.

    The north also fought a total war, when the southern army was more focused on each individual battle. Issues linked to homefront support also led to the downfall of the southern army - as the war waged on, support wavered in the south and many men deserted from the army.

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  16. The South lost the war due to its inability to create a war effort that could combat the superior system of total war implemented by the North.

    Northern centralised control enabled the introduction of a national currency and income tax to pay for the war and also allowed the North to mobilise their superior industry for war production. The infrastructure (primarily rail) available to the North allowed for the quick movement of troops and supplies around the North, and in the South the Union army tactics typified by Sherman brought the fight deep within Southern territory, hurting moral and creating war weariness.

    In contrast the decentralised South meant Davis had little control over armies logistics. Furthermore the South had no viable revenue raising apparatus in contrast to the North and were not equipped economically to finance a war, or to provide army supplies over a long period. These factors meant a sustained war would always be won by the North.

    W.J. Sommers

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